Once I started noticing a convergence of issues among left and right, with we on the right finally waking up to the dangers of international banking and big corporations, as well as big government, I wondered why the left remained so enraged at us and refused to make common cause. Well, it's because they hate us. That's all I can conclude.
We come over to their side, and they puke vitriol on us. We express love for an African-American presidential candidate who happens to be conservative, and leftwing wackadoos accuse us of pulling off some kind of double-underhand reverse-racist ruse: We are so racist we are willing to elect a black man to prove it!
If that makes sense, you must be an MSNBC fan...
It also makes sense to an American leftist that the government-created quagmire we now find ourselves in can only be fixed by... More government!
We may agree on many of the problems we confront, but we diverge sharply on the solutions. That is the critical difference. This Wall Street rabble would burn bankers out of their homes if they could. They would cheer jackbooted brownshirts forcibly taking from those who have "too much" and then "spreading it around" to those too lazy and too stupid to shift for themselves.
We on the right would simply erect a wall of separation between DC and Wall Street, tell big biz and big banks to fend for themselves, and restore liberty to her proper place.
Here are a few of their redistributionist demands:
They want "free" education, too stupid to realize that nothing is free...
Guaranteed living wage, even for those too lazy to work...
No more fossil fuels...
A trillion in infrastructure spending and another trillion in "environmental restoration"...
Forgiveness of all debt, with bankers to be thrown into volcanoes and CEOs to be ridden like donkeys through the major cities of America for the amusement of the poor and their children...
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| Yes, this is a real hippie protester |
It is the standard lefty odd-ball conglomeration of warmed-over 60’s hippie freaks trying to relive their dope-addled glory days, old socialists indoctrinating a new and ignorant generation into their failed ideologies, latte leftists who climb down from their trust fund towers to rub elbows with the proles, never stopping to realize that they will be the first to be slaughtered if the revolution happens.
Rounding out this cavalcade of kooks, you have the standard skittles bowl of victim groups, social agitators and union leeches. And no socialist uprising would be complete without the soft-headed college students demanding free money, free college, free everything, astroturf sign in one hand, expensive iPod in the other.
So while I believe all freedom-loving Americans should be rallying against the corporate and banking hegemons, our march should be on DC, not Wall Street. For there lies the root of this current evil we are suffering through.
While slavering socialists titillate themselves with fantasies of free stuff, bankers hanging from lamp posts and CEOs molotov cocktailed out of their mansions, we tea partiers know that an even better revenge would be to forever bounce them from the public dole.
Don't be fooled my friends. We have nothing in common with the caliginous collection of communist cockroaches crawling like a red rash over Wall Street.
H/T: Fuzzy Slippers: Greed, Revolution and Stuff
Other Links
David Harsanyi - Occupy Wall Street: A Manifesto
Conservatives on Fire - Class Warfare President
Rational Nation – Understanding Occupy Wall Street
Gateway Pundit – List of Demands
Sentry Journal - The Useful Idiots
53 comments:
Great post, and absolutely awesome (and admirably ambitious) alliteration. ;)
Thanks for the linkage, too.
From the Daily News: "A pugnacious President Obama said Thursday the ongoing Occupy Wall Street protests in Manhattan express "the frustration of the American people."
They don't stand for ME, trust me.
And I don't believe ALL corporations on Wall St deserve to be evil.
But, yes, march on D.C., folks....the root of the evil.
I'm only 28, but I'm fairly certain that *people* in general are the root of all evil.
Does it really matter whether it's the "government" or "Wall Street"? They are both human institutions, created and operated by humans, and we know what happens when human beings get a whiff of power and money.
I'm not advocating tearing down the whole thing. I'm not saying we need to just destroy it all and descend into chaotic anarchy. What I am saying is that we need to stop pretending like it's some black and white morality play, where there's a clear villain and hero.
Human beings, whether they work for some evil bank or some evil branch of government, will always try to screw those with little power out of everything they can. And what do they do to maintain their power? They pit the rest of us against each other. They try to convince us that it's us vs. them. They focus on our differences rather than our commonalities.
Saying that we have nothing in common with the other side, I fear, plays into what they want. They want us to remain divided so we squabble over *how* to fix things. If we can't agree on how to fix all the dumb stuff they've done, then it will never get fixed.
That may sound wishy-washy, but I think that's the sad truth about our current situation.
Jack: I agree with your commentary on human nature, but your conclusion is kinda wishy-washy.
My points are simply:
The federal government is the root cause of this mess, banks and corporations are the secondary cause.
Go to the root and fix that, and you eliminate or minimize the secondary causes.
Here's what I think is wishy-washy:
"They want us to remain divided so we squabble over *how* to fix things. If we can't agree on how to fix all the dumb stuff they've done, then it will never get fixed."
Tea partiers/conservatives/small government libertarians (whatever you want to call this camp) will never agree with the solutions of the Day of Rage people. Never.
This is not being intransigent, it is simply stating a fact. Our goals are irreconcilable.
Were it as simple as getting government to get its act together and clean up the free-marketplace, we could agree, but they are advocating socialism, plain and simple.
Again, these two camps are each driven by vastly different philosophies and have starkly different goals.
Wise words, Jack. You've got a pretty sound idea of what's really going on. Government and Business have, indeed, joined hands, and dance a fandango in public to draw our attention away from the obscene carryings on they indulge in up in the hayloft and behind the barn -- at our expense.
It's nothing new, of course. Anyone who represents Authority invariably abuses the power entrusted to him, and becomes tyrannical. Those most directly affected by the increasing despotism (i.e. producers of goods and services) then try to appease the tyrant with bribes and promises of special favors, etc. Thus Corruption comes to reign supreme, and "the people" -- always caught in the middle -- are made to suffer.
Sadly. It has been ever thus.
POWER, itself, is the thing we should fear most, because Power with rare exceptions invariably has a corrupting influence on those who wield it.
I think it's properly called The Human Condition, and I doubt if there's any cure for it -- with the possible exception of sincere, steadfast devotion to the principles of human interaction laid down by Jesus Christ -- something most people don't like because it requires continual voluntary sacrifice of one kind or another.
At root our innate Selfishness is our worst enemy.
~ FreeThinke
Again and again I am reminded of Matthew Arnold's immortal phrase:
"... ignorant armies that clash by night."
~ from Dover Beach
We remain ignorant, because most of us are either too lazy, too "busy" or otherwise ill-equipped to think things through for ourselves.
The demonstrations against "Wall Street" by emotionally-charged children spurred on by the Cultural Marxist indoctrination they've received in the schools we've been too "busy" to bother understanding, are the result of passionate IGNORANCE inflamed by the ungodly power of GroupThink aka Mob Psychology.
Our Constitution was set up to empower INDIVIDUALS not MOBS.
~ FreeThinke
No, it doesn't have anything to do with the lame, self serving views of the tea party. The Tea party are safely in the pockets of the rich while they get bent over daily,
These 'marxists' are protesting for all of the middle class including the stupid Fox watchers who are bashing them while Wall Street is screwing us all. Stop buying the corporate lies!
Nobody is buying the corporate lies, Bd.
DC has given special favors and backstops to banks and corporations. Tea partiers say that needs to stop. The leftist kooks infesting Wall Street want to rob the rich and "spread it around."
That is the fundamental difference
And Wall Street gave more to Obama and the Democrats in 2008 that they did to republicans.
You're the one getting bent over, by those politicians you hero worship.
First off, that picture, pretty much sums up the miscreants protesting. Not much intelligence working there. Which doesn't surprise me.
Agreed, Silver, like most working Americans, we are very aware that NOTHING is free in this world. If you want something, you have to work for it.
And fossil fuels? Yeah, well, they can use their little windmills and solar powered devices, I like that I can go into any room in my house and turn on the lights.
It's also nice to know, the unions are going to join in......can't wait to see what's going to happen, the closer we get to next November.
Remember what the Bolsheviks did to Czar Nicolas of Russia, Alexandra, the Czarina, and their beautiful, perfectly innocent children:
They arrested them, removed them to "The House of Special Purpose," made them wait for weeks as prisoners in an agony of suspense, then finally led them down to a basement room where a group of Marxist Thugs opened fire on them with heir rifles at close range.
The Czarina and her daughters had sewn jewels into their clothing as much to pass the time of confinement and humiliation as to try to preserve some of their former wealth. The jewels caused many of the bullets to deflect, so the Reds moved in and brutally bludgeoned and butchered what-still-remained-of-the-Royal-Family by smashing in their skulls and faces with rifle butts while slashing their helpless bodies with bayonets. Then, they transported their bodies to a secret rural location and dumped them into a mass grave reportedly once used as a cistern.
And THAT, dear children, is where the mentality with which too many of our people, young and old, who've been indoctrinated by false prophets and fiends, have become infected invariably leads.
How many more hundreds of millions will be enticed and then frog-marched to the slaughter earnestly believing they are making necessary sacrifices to ensure Human Progress and the Hope of a Better, Fairer, More-Equitable Life for All?
~ FreeThinke
FYI:
caliginous means dark, misty, obscure, vague, unfocused
I'm not too proud to say I hadn't the foggiest notion of its meaning, so I looked it up. It's never too late to acquire a wider, richer, more colorful, more explicit vocabulary.
We should bless SilverFiddle for his unceasing eloquence in daily prompting us to expand our verbal and intellectual horizons.
Blunt, truncated, telegramatic forms of communication may be sufficient to inform us isolated facts and statistics, but not to explore the implications, allusions, historical context, various possibilities for interpretation from differing points of view, and the possible application to our individual lives reported material may contain.
In other words be explicit, precise, persuasive and stimulating when you communicate. Don't be equivocal, don't be humdrum, and above all don't be caliginous.
~ FreeThinke
From the malignant mindset mindlessly exhibited by the calumnious concatenation of cupidinous Communist clowns craftily conscripted by a carping cavorting conspiracy of captious cranks and callous cowards called college professors and community activists it's clear -- not caliginous -- that catastrophe is coming quickly to co-opt common sense conclusively and corrupt the common good.
~ FreeThinke
Your descrption of the rable on Wall Street is accurate, Silver. They, by themselves, don't worry me. It's those, like Van Johnson and the unions, who intend to build on this rable that do worry me. If Van Johnson's American Dram group and the unions are successful with what they are planning, what you're seeing today is only the tip of a growing iceberg.
Whether like or not, Obama's effort to polarize America into the haves and the have-nots is working. There will be no recconcilliation through dialog between the two camps. We either win the war of words for the minds of a majority or we willl become a socialist/Marxist state.
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
I have a simple solution that one would think the Tea Party would agree with...
MONEY IS NOT SPEECH
CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PEOPLE
ONE MAN ONE VOTE
THEREFORE, NO DONATIONS TO POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS UNLESS THEY COME FROM PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS, AND THE MONEY MUST BE CAPPED AS LOW AS POSSIBLE - I SAY TEN DOLLARS.
That would go a loooooooooooooong way to fixing the crooked connection of Wall Street and government.
If the Tea Party and the Occupiers and the Unions and all the other regular folks could get on board with that, and shove it down Washington's throat, we could make this country a faaaaaaaaaar better place.
JMJ
Uh, I hate to be the one who corrects -- it's always a thankless task -- but I'm pretty sure you mean Van Jones and not Van Johnson, CoF.
The latter was a fine, very popular, highly versatile, movie actor who reached his zenith in the 1940's. Van Johnson was blonde, powerfully built, tall and good looking in fashion that was-then-regarded-as prototypical of the American Male. He was equally adept playing leading men in both drama and light comedy and was also a good singer and a capable dancer. He may still be alive, but if so must be ether in or fast approaching his nineties.
The Negro, Van Jones, is a great favorite of Team Obama, an avowed Communist and a university-educated troublemaker of the first degree.
Rabble is a versatile term. The Historical novelist Kenneth Roberts referred to the revolutionaries, who made the founding of our nation possible, as A RABBLE AT ARMS.
A Rabble at Arms by Kenneth Roberts is still a great read, and still gives an excellent "feel" for what it must have been like to live during the late 1700's in North America. So are his other historical novels that deal with that same period.
~ FreeThinke
Jersey. Sounds good in principle, and I share your concerns.
I would want to be sure we did not cut the tongues out of either the corporations or the unions.
Any group of people need to have recourse and free speech.
Serious question, not a trap:
Say we said corporations may not contribute to political campaigns or causes and also may not engage in political advocacy speech.
Now, say a corporation or market segment is being demagogued by politicians for raw partisan gain, could be lefties railing against the gun industry, or righties railing against "green energy."
How would these industries defend themselves in the public market place of ideas.
This is an honest question.
the Occupy Wall Street theater of the absurd
And, today, as one who on the SEIU email list (not as Always On Watch, of course), I get a notice that I should get ready to "occupy [my town]" and disrupt the next town-council meeting.
Yada, yada, yada.
How much traction does this movement have? HOW MUCH?
I saw THIS earlier today. Excerpt:
We call for workers to not only strike, but seize their workplaces collectively, and to organize them democratically. We call for students and teachers to act together, to teach democracy, not merely the teachers to the students, but the students to the teachers. To seize the classrooms and free minds together.
[...]
We call for the seizure and use of abandoned buildings, of abandoned land, of every property seized and abandoned by speculators, for the people, for every group that will organize them.
Also see THIS from Obama buddy Bill Ayers. Wow.
Jersey, for some strange reason I feel a liking for you, but sometimes your well-intentioned naiveté about the possibilities inherent in human nature makes me feel embarrassed.
If corporations are not people, then governments are not people, and neither is either of the houses of the U.S. Congress or the lofty, haughty, overly-presumptuous, quasi-legislative body we all the Supreme Court.
By your logic The Media is not people either and neither is The Church, and most CERTAINLY Unions don't qualify as people by the wildest stretch of the imagination.
Neither is the Mafia.
Collectives of any kind are not people, PERIOD! Right?
Therefore, according to your way of thinking, all group effort of every kind -- whether commercial or volunteer -- should should be stripped of its power to influence public policy. ALL lobbying should be outlawed, so should ALL unions, ALL charitable organizations, and ALL "pressure" groups such as the NAACP, the ACLU, MoveOn.Org., The Southern Poverty Law Center, PETA, the Red Cross, the AMA, the Friends of the Friendless -- and everything else you can think of.
MAYBE that would be a good idea, but I doubt it, and in any case it's a moot point, because it AIN'T gonna happen.
~ FreeThinke
AW, democracy -- as defined by the Marxists you refer to -- should be spelled dumb-MOCK-racy.
The USA never has been -- and never SHOULD be -- a DEMOCRACY.
The best definition of democracy I've heardt date is this:
TWO WOLVES and a LAMB voting to decide what they're going to eat for DINNER.
~ FreeThinke
There are a group of former lefties called Blue Republicans switching their party registration to go Paul. How large this group is, I don't know.
Remember who it was that infiltrated the school system and higher education, it is the large corporations. I contend they are the real communists.
Marx's great book Das Kapital is at once a monument of reasoning and a storehouse of facts.
--Lord Milner, member of the British War Cabinet, 1917, and director of the London Joint Stock Bank
The occupationists seem to bellyaching mostly about being in debt.
Last I checked, debt is a choice. Oh sure, the big men in big suits sure do push all the right behavioral buttons to lure you into their debt trap, but it's still YOUR choice.
Going into debt means giving up control. I opt to not willfully submit!
If you're in debt, you need to evaluate what you're piddling away money on and start paring back on the crap that's not truly vital. Think you "need" the latest Droid phone? Hmm, somehow you survived without it a decade ago, didn't ya?
Any demonstrators in Colorado, Silverfiddle?
Have you met any directly? No, of course you haven't. Like a true believer you eat whatever they put on your plate.
The demonstrators in Boston don't conform to your profile and the demonstrator's who have been interviewed on less reactionary sources also fall outside your profile.
But carry on.
No Rob, what they are saying is that they are in the bind where they have a lot of college loan debt and no job prospects and no way to service the interest. It has nothing to do with phones you simpleton. Buy a freaking vowel.
Silverfidde, since this demonstration does not have any formal leadership can the douche nozzles at Gateway Pundit explain what authority their purported list has?
The site the douche nozzles link to even state the list is unofficial.
But you true believers will believe most anything.
I have no problem with issue advocacy, as long as it is honest (not slanderous or untrue) and open (we know exactly who is doing the advocating).
But, no, individual people are individual people - not groups of people, not contractual arrangements, not common interests.
Can a corporation (or union, or whatever) vote? Can it serve at war? Can it go to prison? No.
Only individual people should be allowed to contribute to campaigns, and in keeping with the spirit of the equal protection clause, contributions should be reasonably small so that everyone theoretically has a chance to participate equally.
Why is this so naive? Why can't Americans get with this idea? It's not new! I didn't personally invent it! It doesn't seem lefty or righty to me! What's the problem?
JMJ
Let's not forget that a large number of companies that own the mortgages didn't write them. They bought the toxic bundles. Now they are holding worthless paper. Sure they should have checked more diligently but then again the recipients of loans should have also been more diligent. Bottom line money is owed and repossessions will be made.
Jersey: It's all about keeping a level playing field, and generally speaking, shutting people up is a bad idea.
I am not criticizing you on this one, just having a dialog.
Government can do great benefit or great harm to any organization in America. Those organizations must have recourse to defend themselves and fight back.
Ducky: Information is from accounts on the ground by different reporters.
If only the press were covering this as fairly as they did the tea parties, right?
Ducky: I feel for some of those that are behind on loans. But then again I've seen news interviews when the reporters point blank asked protesters would they accept a job if someone came down from the office buildings they were picketing and offered them one. Their answer was a firm no. Kinda hard to feel sorry for people like that.
You can't take a liberal arts degree and expect to live the trendy high life in Manhattan. I worked construction in my youth and it didn't kill me. Heck I can even hang a door and fix plumbing.
And I'm not sure what exactly the mob wants. Oh sure some started out with noble ideals but I think most of them now are just bitchin' for the sake of it. And we're already starting to see self serving groups hijacking this movement.
Ducky, more than a few of us unprivileged lot in here had to work out ways through college. I wasn't out doing Yagerbombs, 'cuz I was spending my money on textbooks.
And even in spite of working, I did still end up taking out a student loan - paid that soul-sucking bastard off with my own money too.
But as OD said, young people need to seriously consider the economical viability of their chosen collegiate track.
Coast your way through college as an athlete and whatcha gonna do with the rest of your working life when a linebacker destroys your knee?
Get a degree in a practical field like engineering or IT and you're likely to have more job prospects than if you get a degree in art. I can make that statement because I started my college life (and student loan debt) as an art major.
republicanmother said...
There are a group of former lefties called Blue Republicans switching their party registration to go Paul. How large this group is, I don't know.
Remember who it was that infiltrated the school system and higher education, it is the large corporations. I contend they are the real communists.
Marx's great book Das Kapital is at once a monument of reasoning and a storehouse of facts.
--Lord Milner, member of the British War Cabinet, 1917, and director of the London Joint Stock Bank
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Your post is interesting and provocative, RM, but I'm not sure exactly what it is you are trying to convey. Could you please explain further?
Am I right in in thinking the sentence that begins "Marx's great book Das Kapital ..." is a quotation from the writings of Lord Milner? Are we supposed to infer from those words that this Director of The London Joint Stock Bank was in fact a Communist -- or at least a fellow traveler?
We ought not to forget that Marxism when it first appeared provoked serious interest among intellectuals and all kinds of thinking people. It had not yet proved itself to be the deadly destructive force most sensible, individuals not yet indoctrinated by the perverse academic establishment know it to be today. Marxism before the Russian Revolution was considered quite respectable -- and even then, so many lies about the deadly nature of the Bolsheviks were spread by Communist sympathizers in the West it took a while for the truth to get out. And even when it did -- as surely you can see -- faith in this deadliest of doctrines refuses to die.
There are still too many eager to embrace a respectable view of Envy, Spite, Malice and Vengefulness and always to find an excuse to blame others for their own shortcomings ever to allow the death of Marxism to occur.
Could you, perhaps, be alluding to the way New World Orderists have craftily USED Marxism to pit against the spirit of Liberty, Financial Independence and Self-Determination so that the two will eventually cancel each other out, and let the Orderists take charge of One World Government?
Meanwhile, I hope you realize that any Third Party of "Blue Dog Republican Paulists will function in exactly the way Ross Perot did twenty years ago? I, myself, was taken in by the feisty little man with the bad haircut and an even worse accent. I'll never let THAT happen again, believe me.
~ FreeThinke
Here's what I believe about the origin of all that bundled bad debt the banks issued which was largely responsible for precipitating the Depression in Housing and the prolonged Recession in the Equities Markets:
Bonnie Fwank, Christ Dodge and others like them sponsored and forced through legislation profoundly injurious to the lending industry -- i.e. the government FORCED the banks to lend mortgage money -- with no down payment whatsoever -- to a host of BUMS, DEADBEATS and SCALLAWAGS (i.e. unprincipled opportunists).
The helpless banks -- knowing they they were going to be taken to the cleaners -- cooked up the idea of passing the buck to, apparently, unsuspecting investors in the form of these toxic "bundled" assets. The rest is history.
Was this immoral on the part of the banks? Of COURSE, but when you're being fleeced and given a sound drubbing by a SATANIC crypto-Marxist government what are you supposed to do --sacrifice yourself and your organization by willingly letting both DIE the death of a righteous martyr?
GEDDOUDAHERE!
NO! You fight back with anything and everything you can grab to try to stay alive.
Now, that's the way I see it. I'm hoping someone without an agenda, who knows what the hell he is talking about will please set me straight if I am wrong.
~ FreeThinke
A word from the man who understood everything to the performance of our once-good, constitutional representative-republican form of government:
"Socialism only works In two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it."
- Ronald Reagan
May God forever bless this dear, deceptively simple man whom we were so privileged to have had as our president after the deadly debacle of the 1960's.
~ FreeThinke
@ Ducky says: Like a true believer you eat whatever they put on your plate.
Heh! You've been hittin' Uncle Jimmah's All Night Malaise buffet for years and never skipped a meal.
Oh, and BTW....I will wear the shame you feel that I have the vote as a badge of honor knowing, that my vote will cancel out yours. That is, until your nutty buddys decide to attempt to suspend elections or the Constitution.
@JerseyMcJones say - contributions from private citizens only. Cap at say, $10.00
Sounds good to me. I believe a great many things could be solved.
@Silverfiddle says:
Again, these two camps are each driven by vastly different philosophies and have starkly different goals.
Night and Day.
i.e. the government FORCED the banks to lend mortgage money -- with no down payment whatsoever -- to a host of BUMS, DEADBEATS and SCALLAWAGS (i.e. unprincipled opportunists).
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Allow me to point out, Freethinker, that you're full of it.
The government had nothing to do with the likes of Countrywide and Ameriquest.
The government had nothing to with Lehman and others leveraging questionable paper at over 50 to 1.
The government had nothing to do with the entire investment banking industry writing derivatives that bet the housing market would perpetually rise.
In fact, the investment banking industry didn't write mortgages at all but it went out of business. How did that happen. Why not blame the statists instead of putting it where it belongs, with the biggest dipsticks in the room (their cabana boy is now Obummer's Treasury sect.).
Now when Fannie decided it needed to get in on the action and tried to double it's stock price the government could have intervened and didn't. That's true but nobody was compelling Fannie to get into the junk market.
Confess, sir, you are so unsophisticated that you think the reason it all went teats up was because regulated banks were FORCED to lend money to minorities and we didn't have enough liquidity to cover the defaults (which were somewhat below average).
That's nothing but the pure stinky cheese. Remember, the left is here to help you live the life of the mind.
I did not say I was correct in my interpretation of the banking-lending-housing disaster. Instead I clearly stated what I thought might have happened base on my understanding of democrats and human nature.
I asked for correction and elucidation from a knowledgeable person with no "agenda." I'm still hoping something of that sort will come along -- sooner rather than later.
~ FreeThinke
Wow, how astute... Banks exist and operate independently of government and government regulations.
Hmmm... never saw it that way before.
STILL DONT!
Its the Bank-Corporate-Government Alliance that is responsible and the blame probably lies at 20/20/60
Not that they are all equally responsible, but government has more blame since it was their job to fairly regulate the banks and markets. Doesn't happen.
There ain't no such thing as a one sided coin.
Jersey: SPOT ON
Rob is spot on too. You'd think with 9.1% unemployment it would be easy to fill a vacancy. Can't find qualified applicants though, go figure. What makes an MPA think he's qualified to fill a systems engineering/life cycle management position? Finally after three months settled on the mostly qualified candidate with a diverse background hoping we can teach him the rest.
Cheers!
"caliginous collection of communist cockroaches"
Dr. Smith from Lost in Space (the great TV show not the crappy movie) would be proud.
Living in New York these spoiled, iPhone carrying dipshit protesters disgust me.
I cannot speak for Republican Mother, but I think see is referring to the fact that big money is always behind Marxism. Wall Street and Central bankers funded the Bolsheviks and ever other major socialist movement of the past 100 years. Don't be shocked when the big money ties to this movement are exposed.
So, ALL corporations (and yes, the people within them) are EVIL, huh?
WOW. Better purge the whole thing if ALL CORPORATIONS AND ALL THEIR POEOPLE are EVIL. :-)
" ... ALL CORPORATIONS AND ALL THEIR PEOPLE are EVIL..,."
I don't believe anyone said precisely that, Z.
In reality there is very little that is ALL good or ALL bad. Most things -- like most people -- are a complex amalgam of disparate, often conflicting, elements.
That may be why the Lord admonished to "Judge not ..."
~ FreeThnke
Thank you, Trestin. None of that shocks me in the least. International Bankers and Financiers were behind Hitler as well as Lenin. Big Money has been in a unique position to make Big Trouble to further the ends of a cadre of would-be Oligarchs who intend to rule the world for a long time. In case no one else has noticed we've moved closer and closer towards Internationalism and farther away from respect for the rights of individual sovereign nations and for individuals everywhere.
"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nation-states involved. As managers and creators of the system, they will rule the future."
- U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater in his l964 book: "With No Apologies"
There have been too many people in high places who have either endorsed or warned against the stealthy relentless machinations to establish a New World Order for the concept to be dismissed as mere poppycock -- or the ravings of lunatic fringe conspiracy theorists.
Barry Goldwater could hardly be categorized as a member of the lunatic fringe. In my view the country too a tragic wrong turn when we failed to elect him in favor of Old Jugears with his Viet Nam War and his not-so Great Society.
~ FreeThinke
Freethinker, was that the Jewish banking cartel?
Z: Corporations and banks are not people (yes, Jersey, I'm agreeing with you. Personhood is a legal invention), so they cannot be good or evil.
They are run by people who have capacity for great good or great evil. They are venal and irresponsible because government has set up a perverse incentive system that goads them into greater feats of greed and irresponsibility.
My point was sarcasm; that it's ridiculous to hear so many people (half a country these days? Sat in a high school or college class lately and seen the ridiculous "corporations are bad" mantra being taught?)) slam all corporations.
Where is it being taught and when were you in a classroom?
The other thing is that even if you found common cause with this rabble, you'll still have to get past the smell. From my experience they take a dim view of things like soap and basic hygiene.
Silver,
You wrote, "...It's all about keeping a level playing field, and generally speaking, shutting people up is a bad idea.
I am not criticizing you on this one, just having a dialog."
I do not equate constraints on political campaign donations as as "shutting people up."
I do not believe public servants, who swear to support the Constitution, can take easy and sometimes exorbitant money from people to achieve office and still support the Constitution.
"Government can do great benefit or great harm to any organization in America. Those organizations must have recourse to defend themselves and fight back."
Yes. They have the courts. It's all right there in the Constitution. And the remedy for ails the courts do not address is at the polls. It just takes time and an eye on the real prize.
JMJ
Where the money = speech come in is when a congressman or senator, using his powerful pulpit demagogues a company or industry, causing them to lose business, or worse, enacting laws detrimental to that business.
For that reason, corporations, industries, unions, any organization, must be able to contribute to campaigns and buy political ads and commercials.
You can't just make somebody sit there dumb with their hands tied while government dismantles them.
The COURTS?
Please don't make me laugh.
Only LAWYERS derive benefit from the COURTS.
We were not designed to be DICTATED TO by and OLIGARCHY of unelected NANNIES in BLACK ROBES.
~ FreeThinke
FreeThinke I agree that courts are for ruling and sentencing on existing laws. Not making new ones through judicial activism. I didn't elect a (federal) judge. But I did vote for Senators, Reps and a President. Sorry I didn't see this before. I was hanging a door. (See earlier post)
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